Upon Their Ruins

“What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty …. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.”

– Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

One Reply to “Upon Their Ruins”

  1. May I suggest that whenever one uses a quote that they cite the specific text, speech, etc where they found it so as to provide immediate verification? Way too many people are using bogus or partially incorrect quotes which undermines the message they are trying to get across. More a problem with liberals but I note that a lot of conservatives are falling into this trap as well, particularly about the Second Amendment.

    In this case, the specific reference is to a speech given before Congress on the Bill of Rights:

    Amendment II

    Document 6
    House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution
    17, 20 Aug. 1789Annals 1:749–52, 766–67
    [17 Aug.]

    Mr. Gerry.–This declaration of rights, I take it, is intended to secure the people against the mal-administration of the Government; if we could suppose that, in all cases, the rights of the people would be attended to, the occasion for guards of this kind would be removed. Now, I am apprehensive, sir, that this clause would give an opportunity to the people in power to destroy the constitution itself. They can declare who are those religiously scrupulous, and prevent them from bearing arms.
    What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. Now, it must be evident, that, under this provision, together with their other powers, Congress could take such measures with respect to a militia, as to make a standing army necessary. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins. This was actually done by Great Britain at the commencement of the late revolution. They used every means in their power to prevent the establishment of an effective militia to the eastward. The Assembly of Massachusetts, seeing the rapid progress that administration were making to divest them of their inherent privileges, endeavored to counteract them by the organization of the militia; but they were always defeated by the influence of the Crown.
    Mr. Seney wished to know what question there was before the committee, in order to ascertain the point upon which the gentleman was speaking.
    Mr. Gerry replied that he meant to make a motion, as he disapproved of the words as they read. He then proceeded. No attempts that they made were successful, until they engaged in the struggle which emancipated them at once from their thraldom. Now, if we give a discretionary power to exclude those from militia duty who have religious scruples, we may as well make no provision on this head. For this reason, he wished the words to be altered so as to be confined to persons belonging to a religious sect scrupulous of bearing arms.

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